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More Marriage Neutering, Anglican Bashing From the LA Times

Their editorial board goes all-out to shill for marriage neutering in a formal endorsement.
It's the same sentence as in 2000: "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." Yet the issue that will be put before voters Nov. 4 is radically different.
Yeah, this time we’ve already had four judges work to overturn our will as voters and thousands of years of human understanding and practice.
This time, the wording would be used to rescind an existing constitutional right to marry.
Where is this “right” found in the constitution?
We fervently hope that voters, whatever their personal or religious convictions, will shudder at such a step and vote no on Proposition 8.
Well that’s been painfully obvious for a long time now.
The state of [neutering] marriage shifted in May, when the California Supreme Court overturned Proposition 22, the [affirmation of] marriage that voters approved eight years ago, and ruled that marriage was a fundamental right under the state Constitution.
Even if that were true, everyone had access to that “right” before the court ruling.
Proposition 8 seeks to embed wording in the Constitution that would eliminate the fundamental right to…marriage.
Actually, Proposition 8 seeks to restore common sense and self-government.
It's a rare and drastic step, invoking the constitutional-amendment process to strip people of rights.
Oh yes, rare and drastic… you mean like publicly flouting the laws to “wed” a brideless or groomless couple in a deliberate attempt to manipulate the courts to subvert the will of the people?
All the more reason for voters to weigh carefully what would be wrought by this measure.
Proposition 8 won’t hurt anyone, actually.  Any same-sex couple can register as domestic partners and get all of the trappings that California applies to marriage.
In a meeting with The Times' editorial board, supporters argued at length that children are best off when raised by their own biological, married mothers and fathers. Even if that were true -- and there is much room for dispute -- this measure in no way moves society closer to such a traditional picture.
Sure it does.  Without Proposition 8, it will be the official policy and teachings of the state (which runs schools) that there is no difference to the state between a couple with only one of the sexes or a couple with both of the sexes.  Clearly, there is a difference.  One is how we all got here.  One is the only kind of couple that naturally produces new citizens.  One has been the foundation for ordering society through all of history. The same can’t be said for the other.  Without Proposition 8, the state’s default position is that marriage can’t be about children.

But notice that the people in control of the content at the Los Angeles Times can’t even grasp the painfully obvious – that all other things being equal, a child is best off with a mother and a father who are married to each other.
Gay and lesbian couples already are raising their own children and will continue to do so, as will single parents and adoptive and blended families.
Wrong.  Gay and lesbian couples are raising children that they did not bring into this world as a couple.  Either one of them made that child with a prior partner of the opposite sex, or they used at least one third party and medical technology to intentionally bring that child into a situation where there is either a father or a mother missing.
Using the supporters' own reasoning, it would be better for same-sex parents to marry.
Actually, it would be better if people didn’t make babies outside of a stable marriage to a capable, devoted person of the opposite sex in the first place.
Still, there are differences. Some are statutory -- domestic partners must share a residence, while married couples can live separately
Okay, so do you want to extend the legal trappings of marriage to people who never live together?  I bet you aren’t in favor of extending marriage licenses to platonic roommates.  So the conclusion here is that you want the state to issue marriage licenses because two people are engaging in sodomy, which contributes nothing to society, unlike coitus.
-- and others are pragmatic -- studies have found that domestic partners do not receive the same treatment or recognition from hospital staff, employers and the public as spouses do.
Sorry, but neutering marriage licenses for this reason is like burning down a house because there was some termite damage found.  What happens when people still tilt their head when a man claim’s to be another man’s husband?  Will we have to step up school and workplace “sensitively training” laws?

The fact is, California treats domestic partners as spouses.  If there is a problem with someone in a workplace or hospital, it is a problem with that person or the training at that facility.
But it was Ronald M. George, chief justice of the California Supreme Court, who cut through to the essence of the issue in the May 15 opinion he wrote: "[A]ffording same-sex couples only a separate and differently named family relationship will, as a realistic matter, impose appreciable harm on same-sex couples and their children, because denying such couples access to the familiar and highly favored designation of marriage is likely to cast doubt on whether the official family relationship of same-sex couples enjoys dignity equal to that of opposite-sex couples."
You can’t force dignity into a situation.  Marriage carries with it things that existed long before the State of California, and no judge can force those things to magically appear between two men or two women.  It’s like saying that “The sun now rises in the west.”  Well, okay… you can pretend it does.  It does not make it so.
In other words, the very act of denying gay and lesbian couples the right to marry -- traditionally the highest legal and societal recognition of a loving commitment -- by definition relegates them and their relationships to second-class status, separate and not all that equal.
Actually, in most places, through most of history, marriage has not been about “love” – at least not as the paper is using the word.  And there is still no “love test” when you go to get a marriage license.  There never was.  Their arguments continue to be so much slight of hand and shifting definitions and demanding mutually exclusive rights, such as the right to privacy at the same time as a right to public affirmation.

The relationships are not equal - by their very nature.  One contains both sexes and is therefore a microcosm of society.  The other one excludes one of the sexes.  It isn’t the place of the government to slap approval or recognition on “love” between two adults.  The law deals with facts, like whether someone is male or female.
Whites in the South vehemently rejected the 1954 Supreme Court decision to desegregate schools. For that matter, Californians have accused the state Supreme Court of obstructing the people's will on marriage before -- in 1948, when it struck down a ban on interracial marriages.
Again with the false comparison.  Marriage has always, in every religion, in every state, in every country, all through history – been recognized as uniting the sexes – until very recently in a few places.  “Interracial” marriages were banned in a few – not all- states.  There is hardly a comparison.
Fundamental rights are exactly that.
And this is not a fundamental right.  Notice that nobody had to cooperate or give you your fundamental right to free speech when you woke up this morning.  In contrast, with state-licensed marriage, you have to find an eligible, consenting person to agree to marry you, and then you have to go ask the people of California for a license.

Now, marriage licensing has been changed for EVERYONE.  It wasn’t that same-sex couples were given access to marriage licensing – it was that marriage licensing was neutered for everyone so that neither brides or grooms are recognized or honored.  Glad I got a real marriage license.

Then they go on to comment about how homosexuality advocacy is causing problems for Anglicans.
Still, tensions were evident between liberal bishops from North America and conservative ones from the "Global South." The archbishop of Sudan demanded the resignation of Gene Robinson, the openly gay New Hampshire bishop whose ordination in 2003 was the casus belli of the crisis. A female bishop from the United States suggested that "many of our bishops come from places where it is culturally accepted to beat your wife."
You see, wanting your CHRISTIAN church to adhere to clear teachings of the CHRISTIAN Bible is akin to approval of wife-beating, apparently.
The dispute among Anglicans may seem a strictly religious argument, turning on whether biblical prohibitions of homosexuality should be interpreted literally or softened, as scriptural condemnations of divorce have been without much protest from conservatives.
Churches should definitely enforce standards about divorce.  But there is little the church can do other than 1) refusing to perform a marriage when one person should reconcile with their former spouse, or 2) kick out the offending divorcee.  But divorce is a different issue.  The Bible teaches that sex is for marriage, and that marriage unites a man and a woman.  A Christian church should no more “soften” a stance against homosexual behavior than it should on unmarried fornication or adultery.

Then we get this doozy:
In the culture wars, there is no separation of church and state.
Hmmm.  Interesting.  Have they tipped their hand?  My guess is that they will use such thinking to insist that churches should not be able to refuse to perform state-licensed marriages.

Well, there’s another example, like with the UMC, of where homosexuality advocates are trying to get the church to pick and choose which Biblical teachings to follow.  Everyone else is supposed to sacrifice their faith, their intuition, their needs, their traditions on the altar of homosexually-induced orgasms and esteeming the sinner.
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