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When Did IVF From a Specific Doctor Become a Right?

Was the California Supreme Court, which is apparently unable to tell the difference between men and women, right when it ordered that doctors should have to perform elective procedures even when the result would violate their conscience?

I’ve already discussed this issue before here and here.  Recently, Richard P. Sloan, a professor of behavioral medicine at Columbia University Medical Center, had his commentary run in the Los Angeles Times.
Earlier this week, the California Supreme Court ruled against two physicians who allegedly denied -- based on their religious opposition -- a legal medical treatment to a patient based on her sexual orientation.
That is not accurate.  They did not want to use donated sperm from some stranger to help a woman get pregnant when she was unmarried, because any child resulting from their work would have no father in her life.  Yes, fathers die or whatever, but that is different from intentionally depriving a child of a father.
This is a welcome, if unusual, turnabout in a disturbing trend that has characterized American medicine over the last three or so decades: an increasing willingness to allow the actions of individuals to disadvantage, and even endanger, others if those actions derive from religious faith.
The doctors were not placing the woman at a disadvantage and they certainly weren’t endangering her.
This summer, a "pharmacy for life" was set to open in the suburbs of Washington. Like other similar pharmacies, it won't stock condoms, contraceptives or the so-called morning-after contraceptive Plan B, despite the fact that pharmacies are licensed by state governments giving them the exclusive right to dispense medications.
Uh, yeah, but the state government does not prevent other pharmacies from being opened, including online.
In exchange for these monopoly rights, pharmacists have an ethical obligation to act in the interests of patients.
It’s not a monopoly.  And these doctors figured they were acting in the interest of patients, especially children.
Recent studies have shown that 14% of U.S. doctors, when confronted by possibly objectionable but legal medical treatments, not only would refuse to deliver such care but also would refuse to inform their patients about it or refer them to physicians who would deliver the care.
That means that 86% of U.S. doctors either would deliver the care or refer patients to someone who would.  So what is the problem?  You know, a Hindu restaurant should not be required to tell me about a place down the street that sells beef, even though they are inspected by the county.  I am free to seek that out on my own.
That translates to about 40 million people who would receive substandard care from these physicians, who believe that their religious convictions are more important than the well-being of their patients.
Again, this is not about the well-being of their patients, but why is it bad that someone considers their relationship with God more important than anything else?  Only someone who doesn’t take God seriously would word things they way you did.  Don't force your unbelief on the rest of us.
The tradition of religious freedom in the United States is one of the founding ideals of this country.
As is freedom of association and free enterprise.
But as our framers envisioned it, religious freedom referred to a right to practice one's own religion free of interference from others. It did not refer to religiously based interference with the rights of others, who may have their own and different religious traditions.
Yes, and the state should not be interfering with the religion of the doctors.
So it's time to say "enough." In the United States, we all are free to practice our religion as we see fit, as long as we do not interfere with the well-being of others by imposing our religious views on them.
Again, this was an elective and selfish procedure, not about “well being”.  But I get what you mean.  We’re free to practice our religion as long as we don’t practice it outside of our closets.

Now, I realize that doctors are licensed by the state.  But if there’s anything the California Supreme Court has taught us, it is that people have a right to state-issued licenses.  So the doctors should be able to refuse those elective procedures and keep their licenses.

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Would You Like Fries With the Child You Ordered?

Predictably, the LA Times editorial board lauds the recent California Supreme Court decision forcing doctors to make babies for single people, unmarried couples, and "Party A and Party B".
This leaves doctors who hold certain religious beliefs in an uncomfortable situation, one they can best manage by helping individual patients find the best practitioners for their specific medical needs.
No, that’s what they tried to do.  Now every doctor, if that doctor helps with fertility, must make babies for people who can’t because they are missing a father or a mother from the equation.
But if they do perform such procedures, they cannot provide them to some groups of patients and not to others.
Great!  What happens if I demand that a doctor perform surgery on my uterus?  Sure, I’m a male, but the doctor can’t discriminate!
It is true that artificial insemination is an elective procedure, not a matter of saving life or limb, but that's not the issue here.
Yes it is.  It wasn’t like this doctor was leaving a woman to die in the street.
A clothing store may choose not to sell polo shirts. But once it sells polo shirts, it cannot withhold them from customers based on their race, religion, sexual orientation and so forth.
No, they can’t.  They should be allowed to, but that is a different story.  But notice that the editorial board is equating children with merchandise.
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You MUST Help Them Get Children

The California Supreme Court struck again today, deciding that freedom of religion, free trade, property rights, and freedom of association, and the best interest of children are all to be sacrificed on the altar of esteeming homosexuality.  Los Angeles Times staff writer Maura Dolan has the story.
Doctors may not discriminate against gays and lesbians in medical treatment, even if the procedures being sought conflict with physicians' religious beliefs, the California Supreme Court decided today.

In the second, major gay-rights victory this year, the state high court said religious physicians must obey a state law that bars businesses from discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation.
So the doctors were refusing to give life-saving treatment to a woman just because she was a lesbian?  Well, not quite.
The decision stemmed from a lawsuit filed by Guadalupe T. Benitez, an Oceanside lesbian who lives with her partner and wanted to become pregnant with donated sperm.
That’s right – a doctor chose not to perform an elective procedure and lost a lawsuit over it.  Never mind that the lesbian was able to get another doctor to do it.  Never mind that the doctor did not want to intentionally deprive a child of a father, or at least married parents.  No, a lesbian has a right to male sperm, and a right for treatments to make her pregnant.  Go figure.
Benitez, 36, and now the mother of three, said she has been pursuing her case for 10 years.

"This isn't just a win for me personally and for other lesbian women," she said. "It's a win for everyone, because anyone could be the next target if doctors are allowed to pick and choose their patients based on religious views about other groups of people."
I wonder if a Muslim doctor can be forced to graft pig skin onto a burn vicitim? I doubt it.  Or if a Muslim veterinarian can refuse to treat pet pigs.  I bet they can.
Kenneth R. Pedroza, who represented the doctors, predicted that many doctors would simply refuse to do the insemination procedure at all.
Oh well!  Everyone else has to suffer in a vain attempt to protect the feelings of homosexual people.

So this is what we’ve come to.  Laws and rulings meant to give black people access to lunch counters where only "whites" were allowed are now being used in this way.  Combine it with “reproductive rights” and the First Amendment goes out the window.

Sorry, but an unmarried person, no matter how long he or she has been partnered, or a “marriage” without a bride or groom simply isn’t the same thing for a child as having a father and mother married to each other.  No law or court ruling can change that basic fact of nature.  But looks like we’ll soon have what I’ve warned about for a while here now – state-funded third-party reproduction for homosexual couples to try to mitigate “inequality” – heterosexual couples being able to conceive naturally.

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California Marriage Amendment – Who Gets Hurt?

Marriage license neutering advocates frequently ask those who oppose their agenda, “How does this hurt your marriage?”

I will get to my reply to that later.  I wanted to turn this around.

What we should be asking all of these same-sex couples with new, neutered marriage licenses who will be making appeals to emotion in an effort to get people to vote “no” on Proposition 8:

“How will Proposition 8 hurt you, even assuming that it invalidates all same-sex ‘marriages’ licensed from June through Election Day as well as precluding them from Election Day forward?”

The answer is: It won’t hurt them in any way, save perhaps their feelings, in the case of those who have falsely rested their feelings on what the California Supreme Court says about a matter that belongs to the people.  California has domestic partnerships that apply all of the legalities the state applies to marriage.  See for yourself in the state’s Family Code law.  The only difference is that it isn't called "marriage" and it doesn't have a marriage license.  Since the federal government doesn’t recognize unions missing a bride or groom as marriage, any couples registered as domestic partners in California will not be hurt at all by the passing of Proposition 8.  If they haven't yet registered as domestic partners, then how can they be as committed to each other as they claim?

What it would hurt is their carefully crafted incrementalist activist agenda game plan where they plan to use the tyranny of four California Supreme Court justices to wreak havoc in other states.

But you know, in researching, I learned something I didn’t know about California’s Domestic Partnerships.  They discriminate against both-sex couples!    See for yourself right here.  That’s right - a man and woman who love each other and share a life are barred from forming a state-recognized domestic partnership, unless one of them is a seasoned citizen.  Where have these “equality” activists been on this issue?  Why haven’t they made a big deal about this violation of human rights?  After all, if only licensing bride-groom coupling as marriage is a violation of rights, then so must be the restriction on domestic partnerships.

But let’s get back to the original question.  We get asked, in the case of neutered marriage licensing, “How does this hurt your marriage?”

To which I reply:

Marriage is an institution.  If you change it in law, that institution is changed for all.  Saying that either bride is not required or a groom is not required dilutes the legal meaning of marriage and destroys the very foundation for what makes marriage marriage.  (If "love" is the basis for marriage, than most marriages in history were not really marriages, at least not when they started.)  If the state said a marriage license gives someone the right to beat their spouse, how would that have an effect on your licensed marriage?  Don’t like domestic violence?  Don’t marry an abuser!  Yet I bet you’d still oppose such a legality.  Everyone, not just same-sex couples, who gets a marriage license in California now gets the demeaning “Party A and Party B” instead of “bride” and “groom” license.  So it DOES have an effect on all of us.

In addition, the neutering of marriage licensing in California will, in accordance with anti-discrimination laws, make it impossible for government agencies and businesses to operate in a way that recognizes the differences between both-sex legally-married couples and those who are same-sex.  This means that adoption agencies, for example, will not be able to give preference in placing children so that they will have both a mother and a father.  Now, I know that many of you don’t think fathers are important, or don’t think that mothers are important, but the facts say otherwise – that all other things being equal, having both a mother and a father will benefit a child in ways that can’t be replicated with two men or two women.  You yourselves know there is a difference between men and women when it comes to personal relationships, and therefore parenting, because you are attracted to people of the same sex instead or more than people of the opposite sex.  What is bad for children, will, as those children become adults, be bad for us all.

Furthermore, this court ruling will hurt the Constitutionally-listed right to religious freedom.  It also violated the principles of our democratic republic by overturning the vote of the people without a compelling constitutional justification, as individuals already had equal access to the privilege of state-issued marriage licenses regardless of sexual orientation.

Assert your self-government rights, California!  Vote YES on Proposition 8!

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Catching Up on Neutered Marriage

I'm back for now, and I've filtered through lots of coverage of marriage neutering in California.  Much of it I won't even address because it is repetitive or puffy and simply there to glorify the neutering process.

I want to start out with a couple of letters to the Orange County Register.

Scotty Roberts of Laguna Beach:
As a heterosexual, married male, I want to ask this question of those who are like me or who are religious: How will [same-sex] marriages affect, change, harm, enhance or do anything to you or your relationships?
1)  State-issued marriage licenses have already been neutered, removing “bride” and “groom” and this dishonoring marriage, men, and women.  I’m married, I’m a man, and I love a woman, and I hope that someday my daughter will get married – so that has an impact me.

2) The state’s official policy now is that reproductive-type relationships are no different than any other kind of relationship, even though this is demonstrably untrue.

3) The state’s official policy is now that the kind of sodomy that has done nothing productive for society but has spread disease and caused injury is equivalent to coitus, which, by contrast, is how we all got here.

4) The state’s official policy in this case is now that men and women are entirely interchangeable, even though the state fails to apply this in practice in other areas.

5) Children will no longer have any right to having both a mother and a father.

6) My vote has been invalidated.

7) It is now possible to get judges to overturn the will of the people to force the issuing of state-issued licenses.
Will you be penalized or taxed?
We will all be penalized as marriage is further devalued, as is masculinity and femininity.
The reason this institution came into being was to protect and give legitimacy and security to vulnerable mommies and children. Other than this, it is simply a statement to the world of mutual commitment between two people. I see no reason why any two unrelated individuals should be legally prohibited from doing such a thing.
I see no reason for the state to license non-reproductive-type relationships as marriage, or the compelling reason to overturn the vote of the people.

Kenneth Burke of Anaheim:
[Same-sex] marriage in California has been legal for two hours as I write this. There are no reports of earthquakes or tsunamis, the sun has not burned out, and the Earth has not tilted off its axis.
None of those things happened under Nazi Germany, either, or when someone pours used motor oil down a storm drain, or when someone steals something from a store.  They didn't happen when we went into Iraq.

There are some immediate effects – couples can no longer be recognized as “bride and groom”, for example, which is sad.  But the most profound effects will take longer to kick in – a drop in marriage rates, an increase in illegitimacy, more children raised without a mother or without a father, skewed marriage statistics in regards to fidelity, domestic violence, and more.

I found this morsel in the Los Angeles Times:
In San Bernardino, staffers at the Hall of Records quietly removed their suddenly dated bride-and-groom souvenir glassware. Inside a display case, a few groom-groom and bride-bride photos soon complemented those of happy heterosexual couples.

But in Oakland, Louis Timphony, 59, and James Gormley, 63, leafed through a booklet titled "Your Future Together," a keepsake courtesy of the Alameda County clerk's office.

"I hope they get this updated," Timphony said after noting the sections on genetic diseases and family planning.
So sad.

Los Angeles Times staff writer Duke Helfand checks in on the religious take.
Some note that the Bible depicts man-lying-with-man as an "abomination," while others say it speaks of God's love for all people created in his image.
That’s not a contradiction.
Nonsense, says the Rev. Mel White, a former Fuller professor and evangelical author who married his partner of 27 years in a ceremony Wednesday at All Saints Episcopal Church in Pasadena.

White calls the Bible a living document that must be understood in its historical context -- a view shared by reform-minded clergy and theologians from other faiths.

Early Jews and Christians, White said, defended a heterosexual ethic to ensure the continuity of tenuous tribal communities. These religious pioneers, he added, had no way of foreseeing modern advances in psychology and other fields that would reveal homosexuality as an orientation rather than a choice.

"The Bible says as much about sexual orientation as it does about toasters or nuclear reactors," White said. "We have to grow with the times."
This is clearly someone who doesn’t see the Bible as the Word of God.  The Bible not only condemns sexual activity outside of marriage, it presents marriage as a sacred thing between a man and a woman.
Conservatives in the three religions largely interpret the passages the same way. There is nothing wrong with being gay, they say. Acting on homosexual impulses, however, is another matter.

"The church says that homosexuals should be treated with love and respect, but redefining the natural and divine institution of marriage is simply something we are not able to do," said Father Marcos Gonzalez of St. John Chrysostom, a Roman Catholic parish in Inglewood that serves 9,000 families.
Right.
But other clergy criticize what they see as a selective analysis of the texts. Jesus condemned divorce and remarriage, they point out, but that hasn't stopped many Christians from splitting and remarrying.
Christians do all sorts of things.  That doesn’t mean two men can make holy matrimony.
The Old Testament not only denounces adulterers and children who curse their parents, it demands the death penalty for both. It prohibits sex between husbands and wives during menstruation, even though theologians acknowledge the practice occurs without any formal reprimands.
Context, context, context!  The homosexuality activists love to try this, but it doesn’t hold up.  When you take the Bible as a whole, homosexual behavior is wrong, then and now.

Los Angeles Times staff writer Maura Dolan has this interesting note:
Supporters of [neutered marriage] have asked the California Supreme Court to block a November ballot initiative that would ban same-sex marriages.
How tolerant of them,
In a legal brief filed late Friday with the high court, the gay rights groups argue that the initiative is a "revision" of the state Constitution, which would require involvement of the Legislature, rather than simply an amendment, which can be approved by a majority vote in an election.
Huh?  No, it is an amendment.

They will stop at nothing.

Here are some letters to the Los Angeles Times:

Stephanie Campbell of Costa Mesa:
The California Supreme Court ruling on same-sex marriage does not confine religious people to the sanctuary.
I beg to differ… if I am still allowed.
The examples portrayed in Marc Stern's Op-Ed article are misguided. If Catholic Charities chooses to avoid anti-discrimination laws by stopping adoption placement, that's its decision.
Yes, and if Gitmo detainees decide to starve themselves because we won’t give them anything but pork to eat, well, that’s their decision, too.
Religious freedom does not give such organizations the right to violate discrimination laws.
I see something in the Constitution about religious freedom and property rights.  I don’t see anything in there about having to pretend that the voluntary relationship between two men is the same thing as a man and a woman.
And this ruling does not give same-sex couples the right to force religious individuals or organizations to act out of accord with their faith.
Can I quote you on that in the future?
I suggest Stern substitute "Jewish" for "same-sex" and see if his opinions remain the same.
Yes, well, “Jewish wedding” isn’t an oxymoron.

Rev. Dr. C. Welton Gaddy, President of the Interfaith Alliance in Washington:
He would rather see the government impose one religious view of marriage on a religiously diverse nation.
No established religion has a history of recognizing anything but the union of a man and a woman as marriage.  And one need not be religious to agree that state-issued marriage licensing should be kept to something uniting the sexes.
For the good of religion and for the good of the nation, government should stay out of our temples, synagogues, mosques, gurdwaras and churches.
And judges should keep their hands off of my ballot.

Los Angeles Times staff writer Jason Song checks in on the City of L.A. mayor's contribution.
Mayor [Tony Villar] will officiate at his first gay marriage ceremony today at Los Angeles City Hall, his office announced.
Why would anyone who takes marriage seriously want a known adulterer to officiate?
The ceremony will join movie producer Bruce Cohen, whose films include the Academy Award winner "American Beauty," and art consultant Gabriel Catone.
What a shock that the producer of that movie is a homosexual guy.

Just another great day in the neutering of marriage licensing and the mockery of marriage.

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Welcome to Neutered Marriage Licensing

No more “bride”, no more “groom” - we’re all just “Party A” and “Party B”.  Isn’t that lovely?

So the Los Angeles Times ran another piece trying to tell us that homosexuality is biological and pre-natal in origin, because of characteristics in the brain of gay men show some similarities to those of straight women.  Of course, this fails to take into consideration that behavior can cause changes to the body, including the brain.

I wonder about the brains of all of those people who once identified themselves as homosexuals but now engage in heterosexual behavior?  For some reason, either the paper didn’t report that part of the study, or the study didn’t look at that control.

The Associated Press’ David Crary tells us what we already know: that the neutered marriage licensing in California will affect other states.
Many will return home to states which explicitly reject same-sex unions. Major gay-rights groups are urging them not to rush into lawsuits demanding that their marriages be recognized. Lawyers warn that they may have difficulty divorcing if things go awry.
So now they are planning for divorce?
"When Jennie would tell co-workers we're domestic partners, people would say 'Oh, that's nice,' but they don't really get what that means," Sarda-Sorensen said.
How dense are the people you work with? Or perhaps they just don’t care?
Worried that their court victory in California could be offset by defeats elsewhere, a coalition of nine national gay-rights groups last week issued an appeal - titled "Make Change, Not Lawsuits" - to gays and lesbians considering California marriages.
Not that they march in lockstep or anything.
"Couples who want to should get married, call themselves married, and ask - sometimes demand - that family, friends, neighbors, businesses, employers and the community treat their marriages with respect," the statement said.
Demand all you want, but respect is earned.  You disrespected my vote and my marriage.  How dare you turn around and demand respect from me?
Shannon Minter, legal director of the National Center for Lesbian Rights, said litigation by newly married same-sex couples "should be an absolute last resort" - reserved only for cases where there is grievous injustice and a realistic chance of prevailing in court.
Wait a second.  I though not having their “marriage” recognized was a grievous injustice in and of itself.  Can you please make up your mind?  Surely if there is a right to licensed marriage, any state will recognize that.
Hunt's advice helped dissuade Regina Cassanova and Jheri Dupart not to venture to California, though the partners of more than 10 years had been thrilled by the historic court ruling there.

"Even though we want the legal protection, maybe this isn't the right time for us," said Cassanova, 27. "Living in Texas, we could lose rights if we married in another state."
Hmmm, 27 and a ten-year partnership.  That would have made her 17.  Well, that’s OK in Texas.  But how old is Dupart?  That’s not included, for some reason.
The couple hopes Texas will change its policy, but they're prepared to move elsewhere if necessary when they're ready to have children, Cassanova said.
“Have” children?  Don’t you mean get a third person to help make a child for you?
Also planning a California wedding — date to be determined by availability of discount airfare — are Bonnie Aspen, 55, and Willow Williams, 48, of Spokane, Wash. They've been together 29 years, and registered last year as domestic partners when Washington adopted that policy.
Hmmm, 29 years.  So 26 and 19, was it?  Interesting.
"Getting a marriage license is one more step to help our state and the rest of the country move forward.”
Moving forward is a bad thing if you are driving towards a cliff.
“In another 20 years this country will be very embarrassed by what it put some of its people through."
This is a common tactic in this debate – insisting that we should go along quietly because we’re all going to look like bigots otherwise when we look back.  But no logical argument is presented.  It is all an appeal to emotion and ego.  No matter how many times they repeat this though, often likening it falsely to “interracial” marriage, I don’t buy it.  I liken it more to Roe v. Wade, which was also a very poor judicial decision.  35 years later, that debate rages on.

Here’s Lisa Leff’s Associated Press article.
From San Diego to San Francisco, couples [missing a bride or groom] readied their formal wear, local licensing clerks expanded their staffs and conservative groups warned of a backlash as the nation's most populous state prepared to join Massachusetts in [neutering marriage licensing].
Formal wear?  Why bother with formalities if you aren’t going to bother with other traditions?
"We might wait a long time in Tennessee, so this is our chance," said Robert Blaudow, of Memphis. He and his partner, Derek Norman, 23, decided to get married at the Alameda County clerk's office late Monday while they were in the San Francisco Bay Area for a conference.
Again with only giving the age of one of the partners.  Why?  Are they hiding something?
On Monday, San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom, who helped launch the series of lawsuits that led the court to strike down California's one-man-one-woman marriage laws, presided at the wedding of Del Martin, 87, and Phyllis Lyon, 83.
Yes, that adulterer is the perfect choice to perform the ceremony.

Meanwhile, back in the Los Angeles Times, the same-sex couples are being told by their plantation masters not to make the ceremonies too flamboyant.  Can you imagine if a family group gave out that advice?  Staff writer Jessica Garrison reports.
Images from gay weddings, said Lorri L. Jean, chief executive of the Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Center, could be used by opponents in a campaign designed to persuade California voters that gays and lesbians should not have the right to marry.
Now how could that be?  It’s not like some gay people have been known to make bizarre public spectacles of themselves, centering around their sexuality, or anything.  (And that’s not to say straight people don’t do the same thing!)
"The more that homosexual activists wave their hijacked marriage licenses in people's faces, the more people will say, 'This isn't right. . . . What can I do about this?' " said Randy Thomasson, the founder of the Campaign for Children and Families.

Proponents predict just the opposite will happen, that when voters witness the love and commitment involved in the marriages, they will be won over and won't vote to disallow them.
Well, then, by all means, be as loud and open and flashy as possible.
Strategists cite polls showing that in 2004, after Massachusetts allowed gay marriage, people who saw the weddings became more supportive.
A defeatist resignation might very well set in.  After all, we already voted on this.
"All you had to do was just see it, and it was very difficult to then walk away and say, 'That is not a wonderful thing,' " said Eric Jay, an advisor to San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom.
It can be a wonderful thing without needing a court-imposed license or denying people a license that honors them as bride and groom.  And Mr. Jay – if you have a partner, keep that person away from your boss.
During the campaign for Proposition 22, the successful 2000 initiative that defined marriage as between a man and a woman, Quinn said many Californians were appalled by images of groups like the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, a group of gay male activists who dressed up like nuns.
Hey, the freedom of speech is in the Constitution.  Marriage licenses aren’t.
By design, San Francisco's first wedding, officiated by Newsom, was of octogenarian lesbians Del Martin and Phyllis Lyon, who have been together for more than half a century.
If it is truly a right, then why does it matter if the couple had been together a long a time?  Rights apply to people regardless of how long they’ve been doing something.
"One of the things about the gay and lesbian community is we're known for our outrageousness, our flamboyance," said West Hollywood City Councilman John Duran, who is president of the board of directors of Equality California, an organization pushing for same-sex marriage.
How dare you stereotype!  Next you’ll be beating gay people in the streets!
Political analysts said the anti-same-sex marriage side also needs to manage its image by downplaying its fringe elements.
This is very true.  Standing around with hateful signs and jeering is not going to help anything.  We have logic, reason, history, personal experience, and every major religion on our side.  We can pass the amendment with those things.

Los Angeles Times staff writers Carla Hall, John M. Glionna and Rich Connell have a breathless and fawning report from the front lines.
"This is the last frontier," said gay Los Angeles Councilman Bill Rosendahl, who attended the wedding.
Yeah, somehow I doubt that.  Activists don’t just go away.
"Women got the right to vote, black people got the right to vote, now gay people can get married."
Gay people could have always gotten married – to someone of the opposite sex.  So the comparison is a false one.
For many years, Lyon, 83, and Martin, 87, couldn't hold hands or embrace on the street. They lived in fear of being outed, labeled as "dirty" or "q u e e r."
We’ve come a long way since then.  But neutering marriage licenses shouldn't be part of that.
A same-sex wedding celebration would have been as unthinkable as flying to Mars when the couple met.
Yeah, but thanks to a relentless, ubiquitous, and Orwellian propaganda campaign, you managed to get enough support.

Finally, not content with having the California Supreme Court forcing their agenda on the rest of us, not content with having academia and the mainstream media pushing their propaganda, not content having their own churches and other congregations that support their sin, they are now trying to bully conservative churches into abandoning some Biblical teachings about sexuality, as you can read in the Orange County Register.

Will it never end?

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More Marriage Neutering Obsession in Los Angeles Times

For a tiny fraction of the population, same-sex couples who want to get marriage licenses sure get a lot of attention.

Jean-Paul Renaud, Los Angeles Times staff writer, reports on how county clerks are gearing up - or not - for the rush expected next week.
Butte County, however, indicated that it would follow the lead of Kern County in halting its practice of performing marriage ceremonies altogether, citing budget reasons.
The budget concerns can be legitimate.  If they have to bulk up for the initial crush, what happens when things slow to a trickle again?
San Diego County, which is allowing appointments and walk-ins for marriage licenses, already has started feeling the crunch: 160 couples have made appointments for Tuesday, surpassing the Valentine's Day crush of 151 couples.
Expect marriages in general to decline in the long run, if we follow the example of other counties.
Sonoma County, along with at least three others, is starting early, issuing licenses and performing ceremonies beginning at 5:01 p.m. Monday, the moment the court order officially takes effect.
We know where their priorities are.
State officials are not allowing counties to post new online marriage license applications, which replace the words "bride and groom" with "Party A and Party B," until the order takes effect Monday evening.
What a shameful joke.  Glad I got a real marriage license.

I predict the video on the news will, deliberately, mostly show older lesbian couples and couples that have children with them.  You won’t see the kind of stuff you often see at “pride” events – hairy men in dresses and nun garb, people on leashes, middle-aged men with 18-year-old guys who look even younger, etc.

Columnist Patt Morrison has nothing better to do than whine about Kern County’s clerk not performing these “marriage” ceremonies.
To my eyes, and many others', Barnett is locking the doors on the county's low-cost marriages for any and all affianced couples because she doesn't want anything to do with same-sex marriages.
So what?
She wants to not have her wedding cake and keep everyone else from eating it too.
People can still get married.  Just not at the clerk’s office.  You have a skewed view of reality when you think that if the government doesn’t do something, nobody else can.
The Bakersfield Californian’s reporting, which includes e-mails from the county clerk's office to a conservative Christian legal defense fund, shows that Barnett first asked the county's legal counsel to petition the state Supreme Court to put the brakes on its gay marriage ruling. Then she tried to resign the clerk part of her job -- the part that handles marriages.
Why is it so hard to understand that someone could be uncomfortable being a part of this?
If she's against gay marriage, I'd have more regard for her if she just said, "I think it's an affront to God and I won't perform any or let them be performed by my office. So sue me." And someone would, and then others would rally to her defense, and she could be a real martyr instead of a bureaucratic weenie.
She’d get fired, and the county (the taxpayers) would have to spend all sorts of money on the matter then.
I called Barnett to get her side of all this, but her home phone had been disconnected, and the message I left at her office wasn't returned.
She probably got death threats from all of those “tolerant” types.
My favorite was when she said, apropos of the state Supreme Court decision: "It was not unanimous."
Perhaps her point was that if a court is going to reverse precedent and go against the will of the people, it should do it unanimously?  This is a common idea among jurists and political scientists.
But "majority" doesn't mean infallible, let alone constitutional. In 1964, Californians voted 2 to 1 to change the state Constitution to let property owners discriminate against any buyer or renter for any reason -- race, gender, religion, even shoe size, I suppose.
Yeah – that’s a strange thing called property rights.  Just something that used to be basic to our country.
One week later, the federal government cut off all housing funds to California,
That would have been fine, had they not been taking the money from Californians to begin with.
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California Court Refuses to Stay Marriage Licensing Overhaul

In an unsurprising move, the California Supreme Court refused to stay its own ruling extending marriage licensing to non-marriages so that people will feel better about their personal choices and feelings.  Some groups had asked them to hold things off until California voters decide in November on an amendment to the state constitution on the issue.

Strangely, the very same people who claimed that the court should "operate independently of the legislative process" and thus not consider that there will be a vote in November seem to have no problem with the court interfering in the legislative process by striking down a law without solid justification.  This must be one of those areas where a “wall of separation” only goes one way in their minds?

Now, if the voters of California vote to restore marriage licensing to historic standards favoring societal interest, there will be an outcry from those who get “no gender mentioned” marriage licenses for their non-marriages between now and then.  Well, there would have been an outcry anyway, but this particular outcry will be something along the lines of “How dare you invalidate our marriage?”  To which I will reply “We never consented to issue you a license in the first place!”  We should not need an amendment.  It is they who should have needed an amendment to impose such a radical shift on society.

They all know full well that this vote is coming, so they’ll have no excuse.

Actually, it is probably what they want.  This is why:

Leftists don’t respect authority, though they love to use it as a tool to force their way.  They never ask permission – they simply go ahead until someone forces them to stop.  Like when they want to show your kid sexually explicit material, hand them condoms, and take them for abortions.  So they will go ahead and acquire marriage licenses for brideless or groomless “marriages”.  Then, immediately after the November vote, should it go our way, they will appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, and keep issuing/acquiring/using the licenses.  SCOTUS will be a lot less likely to let California’s amendment stand if there are already “marriages” licensed that go against the amendment.  They will be even less likely to invalidate those marriage licenses issued in the interim.  It would be much easier for SCOTUS to uphold the California amendment if the California Supreme Court’s decision had been stayed until then.  The California Supreme Court is deliberately trying to sabotage the amendment.

Here is a link to the piece by Los Angeles Times Staff Writer Maura Dolan.  Again, the headline uses the inaccurate phrase “gay marriage”.  There is no requirement now, nor will there be, about sexual orientation, so the term "gay marriage" is an incorrect description.
The California Supreme Court today rejected a petition to delay its historic same-sex [“]marriage[“] decision, deciding 4-3 that gay people may [“]marry[“] later this month.
Again, gay people have always been able to “marry” each other.  Also, a gay person has always had the very same access to licensed marriage as I have, even if he or she didn't want to exercise that access.  I detest sloppy reporting.
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