Posted by
Playful Walrus on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 6:50:23 PM
Fannie found a recent blog entry of mine worthy of comment on her blog. Click here to read my previous blog entry in full. It is very short.
You know, it's almost entertaining when I hear anti-feminist men spout the Feminists Are Ugly meme.
Well, maybe not all feminists. But it is one of the Undeniable Truths of Life (#24) that "feminism was established as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society." And before you say it... yes, that can be true even if the man who said is has been divorced three times and has been addicted to prescription medication.
One, it reminds people that, unlike men, women are to be judged first and foremost by their attractiveness and appropriate availability to men.
If they are looking for approval or attention from men, then yes, this is the way life generally works. This the way most men are hardwired biologically, and it is something supported by the actions of a majority of women. Attractive women catch our eyes first and easiest – that is the initial introduction. You might as well blame women for growing breasts. Fortunately for female Uglo-Americans, this is not the sole criteria used in evaluating a woman.
His critique is not so much that the magazine exploits women, but more that the women who model for Playboy choose to exercise their sexuality beyond the acceptable scope of Wife Monogamously Married to Man.
I’m not quite sure what she, or other feminists – or, for that matter, what some Religious Right types – mean by "exploit" in this case. I'm not convinced Playboy exploits women more than any other paid gig exploits a man or a woman.
I do believe that the ideal is sex within marriage only and public modesty – that goes for men and women.
By verbally depriving all feminists of their beauty, anti-feminist men attempt to deprive women of the most important value they think women have- their appeal to the male gaze.
I have not deprived any feminist of anything. If they are ugly, that isn't my doing.
Once a woman has lost her beauty, she has lost her worth and no one is thus required to take her seriously.
Let me be clear (as our President would say) that I do not believe that a woman's only worth or even her most important attribute is her beauty. But I do not deny that beauty is important. Good looks help out men, too. Life is easier for attractive people. I've noticed I get treated differently when I am thinner than when I am packing on the fat. But yes, the difference is more profound for women. No amount of social engineering is going to stamp that out, but feminism has worked to try to mitigate it.
She is only saying those feminist things because she's ugly and can't get a man.
It may definitely be a factor. Beautiful women (who are willing to entertain male attention) are often too busy enjoying dates or marriage or modeling (or working out or on their tan or shopping) to bother with being active feminists.
It is just one of the many caricatures of feminists that cause many women to begin sentences with that infamous phrase "I'm not a feminist or anything but [insert feminist statement]."
Maybe some women say that because homosexual behavior advocacy, legally-protected infanticide, and misandry have been so prominent in modern feminism and the speaker doesn’t want to be associated with one or more of those things?
Yet, what if we turned the mirror in the other direction and shone it on these fellows? We have a huge double-standard in which men, especially those who are political, do not have their looks scrutinized in the way that women do.
Are you kidding me? Compare the looks of male politicians before and after women got the vote. But women perpetuate a double-standard as well - they can allow a man to be unattractive as long as he is rich, and women have more to say about the appearance of female public figures than anyone else. Who do you think is buying all of those magazines that are obsessed with the what a famous woman is wearing, her plastic surgery, and her weight loss or gain? Are men to blame for making women feel some need to buy those magazines? If so, are women ever reponsible for their own decisions?
Why is it that men, unattractive or not, feel that they can mock a woman's appearance while their own appearance is off-limits?
Our appearance is not off-limits - at least not mine. But evidently, we can be balding and fat and have horrible skin, and as long as we have our name on the executive's door, or the large bank account, or the ballot, or the cinema marquee, or the pro team roster, or on the Billboard charts – we're very attractive to lots of women. There are some really great guys out there with great ideas, manners, and a sense of humor that would make a great date (or a great friend to a lesbian), but the moment they pick up their mop to get back to work, they are dismissed by so many of those women.
I have been reading Walrus's blog off and on for a few months now, and I do remember him mentioning that he has a bit of a weight issue. Perhaps he has chosen his moniker because he really does resemble a large flippered sea mammmal?
I just might.
Seriously, attractiveness in women, from a male perspective, isn't all about looks. Sometimes, it is a woman's attitude or behavior that makes her unattractive. Such things can even overcome extreme physical beauty. Conversely, a man can fall for a woman who didn't catch his eye at first if she has a winsome attitude and personality or is accomplished. And I'm not just talking about social interaction – this can also apply to business, politics, entertainment, whatever.
It's time to start dealing with the content of the arguments that feminists are making rather just blanketly dismissing the Feminazi Fuglies that exist only in your dull imaginations.
We do address the arguments. But sometimes, we speculate about the motivations for those arguments because, frankly, we wonder why arguments we find lacking are championed with such fervor. Admittedly, motivation for advancing an argument does not prove or disprove the validity of the argument.
And to address one of her follow-up comments: Noticing that feminists are generally unattractive is not name-calling.
I caught some of the comments on the blog, and of course, those comments are NOT necessarily Fannie’s opinions.
"John" wrote:
It's sounds more like he's saying that conservative women are Barbie Dolls, to be dressed and undressed at the man's will.
That is not what I’m saying. Women (and men) should maintain control over their own sexuality. Once they choose to marry, however, they have an obligation to share themselves with each other. What I am saying is that, in general, conservative women are more attractive. Perhaps it is my "red" goggles at work? I would imagine that a PETA member may no longer find a guy to be "hot" if she finds out he hunts.
"earlgreyrooibos" wrote:
So wait ... there are feminist/ugly women, conservative/attractive women, and ... Playboy models? So if feminists are "ugly" and conservative women are "attractive", where do Playboy models fit politically?
Considering their ages and what they are doing, most are probably somewhat Leftist. Not all Leftists are feminists.
But as far as Playboy, I am fascinated by the dilemma Leftist feminists face when they claim to be free speech crusaders and claim that they are in favor of women having full freedom over their own sexuality and the right to choose, but they are still uncomfortable with Playboy and blast the women who choose to appear in there, or claim that they are being exploited. When conservative critics call into question the virtue of such "models", it seems as if feminists believe it is okay for woman to behave a certain way, but not for someone else to apply a label to that behavior that implies disapproval - except perhaps feminists. If so, then one of the tenents of that form of feminism seems to be that immodesty and fornication are okay. It's like when I point out to a Leftist that pot smoking may contribute to global warming and the thought sends the poor guy into the fetal position.
I can support criticism and boycotting of things like Playboy, but since I do believe in limited government, I could not join with those on the Religious Right who would seek to outlaw the publication/associated ventures. I know not all on the RR would call for that, but I get the idea that some would. I have no problem with enjoying the thought that they are having financial problems because people have voluntarily cut back on purchasing their goods and services. For me, it isn't just for the imagery, but also the editorial philosophy.
What is a feminist, anyway? It seems to be like the word "art" because it means different things to different people. If you are straight, have never killed any of your offspring, enjoy looking and being feminine in a way that appeals to straight men, believe both men and women should be responsible for their own actions, are not paranoid that you’re missing out on something when men get together without women being around, and believe that there is nothing inherently wrong with masculinity in men and boys, there's a good chance you're not a feminist in the sense to which I was referring in my earlier blog entry.
Seriously, I am glad that past feminism has helped to provide real choices for women – to live their lives as they dream, to avoid abusive men, to have outstanding careers if they so choose, to participate in voting and be our elected leaders. But I can't support what people call feminism today when it encourages growing government, killing innocent human beings, denigrates masculinity, harms marriage or children, excuses criminal behavior in women that it doesn't in men, or otherwise infringes on the rights of others.
Tammy Bruce demonstrates that a woman can be a feminist, a lesbian, and be attractive to straight men.
Finally, I'd like to take this opportunity to call attention to this book: Feminists Say the Darndest Things.