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Courts: Take Girl From Mother, Give to Ex Partner

Here's a very real example of how a political agenda meant to massage the feelings of a few adults is having a harmful impact on the well-being of a child.

The biological, birth, and custodial mother of a seven-year-old girl has been ordered by a Vermont judge to turn over custody to a woman with whom the mother was in a civil union during the pregnancy/birth. The women have not been together since before the girl turned two years old, but that is legally trumped by the fact that they were in a civil union. This is a perversion of the "assumption of paternity", where a man has default legal responsibility for a child born to his wife, even if the wife was having an affair. That is to protect the child and ensure that the child has a social father - and to make it less likely that the state will have to financially support the child.

I understand that the other woman claims to be frustrated by lack of visitation to the little girl, despite the court's order of such visitation (many fathers are in the same boat), but is it really in the girl's best interest to deal with that problem by taking her from her mother? Visitation is supposed to be for the child's benefit, not so that the visiting adult can feel a sense of equality.

Read my analysis and join the discussion over at The Opine Editorials.

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It Does Take a Mom and Dad

While there is asexual reproduction in nature, God (or Nature, or Chance, if you are a theophobe) has given humanity sexual reproduction. This basic fact of biology is apparently lost on the author of a letter printed in today's Los Angeles Times. My analysis is over at The Opine Editorials.

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It's Not Quite Chynnatown

I pray we're not heading further down a slippery slope with the claims of actress Mackenzie Phillips that, as an adult, she carried on a decade-long consensual affair with her own father. (A child was slaughtered as a result, most likely to hide their actions.) It should be noted that her father isn't around to defend himself - and given his drug abuse, how could he really be sure what happened back then anyway - and that Phillips is promoting a book. Her sister Chynna backs up the claim by saying Mackenzie told her about long before a book was in the works. My analysis of the larger issues and public reaction is over at The Opine Editorials, if you can stomach more of this topic.

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Dae'von Bailey

Sandy Banks has an edition of her column in the Los Angeles Times in which she talks about the murder of six-year-old Dae'von Bailey, found beaten to death in his South [-Central] Los Angeles home.

In the Los Angeles area recently, there have been several high-profile murders of children who have been on the radar of the county government long before they were killed.
Police believe Dae'von was killed by his mother's former boyfriend, Marcas Fisher. Dae'von was living with Fisher because his 28-year-old mother "was going through things" and parceled out her six children to friends and relatives.
That is important to remember.  His mother chose to associate with this guy.  She chose to leave her child with this guy.  She chose to have children in the first place.
In the months before he died, Dae'von told adults at school that Fisher had punched him in the stomach and slammed his head into a bathroom sink. He repeated the complaints to social workers who interviewed him and to medical professionals who examined him for injuries. But he was sent back twice to his violent home.
However the county authorities screwed up - or not - blame falls primarily on the murderer, but also with the person who left the child in the murderer's "care".
But it wasn't only the system that failed Dae'von. "I place the blame on the shoulders of mother Tylette Davis," a West Hills reader wrote in a letter published in The Times. "She chose to have these children, then she chose to abandon them and leave their care to others. I have trouble feeling any pain for Tylette."
The sick joke about the whole thing is that she'll probably sue the county and walk way with six or seven or even eight figures from the taxpayers.
County Supervisor Gloria Molina expressed much the same sentiment at a board meeting last month -- interrupting a speaker's monologue about the "gigantic, enormous problem that's within the system that needs to be rectified."

"Parenting services . . . bus tokens, housing assistance, mental health counseling . . . and constant supervision to maintain her house," Molina said, reading from the list of public services that had been provided to Tylette Davis since before Dae'von was born.

"You need to go back and sit down with this mommy and tell her she has other children to take care of. She has to get her house in order . . . deal with her issues," Molina said.
Kudos to Molina.  Molina is the first person to blame county staff when they drop the ball, so these comments should not be taken lightly.  The county had been involved and providing assistance.  But there's only so much the county government can - or should - do.  People show up to yell at the County Board of Supervisors, but what are they doing about people in their own family - their friends - their neighbors?

The columnist checks in with the victim's grandmother...
Her daughter Tylette is not a bad mother, "just spoiled," she said.
This is from a woman who had her own children taken away temporarily.  It Tylette isn't a bad mother, I don't know what a bad mother is.
She had her first baby at 14, and five more by the time she was 23.
Now there’s good motherly planning.  Of course, any pregnancy she had before age 18 was evidence of statutory rape committed against her.  Was that ever pursued?

If only we had...
...the freedom to say "no" to intercourse.
...a dozen different forms of contraception.
..."safe" and legal abortion on demand.
...safe-surrender laws.
...various forms of adoption.
...domestic violence programs and shelters...

...stuff like this wouldn’t happen!
The man accused of killing Dae'von was the father of Tylette's youngest child "and the only daddy Dae-Dae ever knew," Dotson-Davis said. "He raised that child from when he was a baby. My daughter never thought he would bring that boy harm."
Your daughter isn’t very perceptive.  This kind of thing is all too common, despite the fact that there are decent stepfathers out there.
She ticks off the things her daughter has to do to get custody of her kids:

Get treatment for addiction. Find a place to live. Come up with a way to support them. Make sure the children get counseling. And, finally, pass those parenting classes.
How about telling other people in the community to avoid this problem by:
1) Staying in school.
2) Going to church.
3) Reading (there are public libraries, if nothing else).
4) Taking up a hobby, sport, instrument, whatever.
5) Avoiding crime.
6) Avoiding substance abuse.
7) Avoiding criminals, substance abusers, and people abusers.
8) Avoiding intercourse until marriage.
9) Getting a job and sticking with it, only quitting when one has secured a better job to replace it. (This will be easier if the previous steps are followed.)
10) Not spending more money than they bring in.

If people follow those steps, situations like the one in this story will be avoided. Dae'von Bailey didn’t have to die.

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Paul to Timothy: Take Some Wine For Your Stomach

Catherine Lyons, over on the LATimes.com opinion blog, asks if the right to life stops when a child is born.  She is specifically is referring to a perceived lack of concern by pro-lifers when it comes to parents who pray for their children instead of seeking medical treatment for them.
Dale Neumann was convicted Saturday of killing his 11-year-old daughter, Madeline, because he prayed for her instead of taking her to a hospital when her undiagnosed diabetes got so bad that she couldn't eat, drink, walk or speak. She died on the floor of her rural Wisconsin home with her father, mother and a group of people praying for her healing. Neumann says he was simply putting his faith first and following the will of God, but a jury found him guilty of second-degree reckless homicide.
If he believes the Bible is authoritative, then for what it is worth, the Bible does not advise believers to forgo medical treatment, nor promise the faithful healing and health in this lifetime.  See here for more info.  Christian parents should pray for their children and seek medical treatment for them.
This event raises serious questions about the conflict between individual rights and governmental power, just as abortion does. Both involve innocent and dependent lives with no real power to contest a parent's choices.
Actually, I think there is - it is called taking the child into protective custody.  If it can be demonstrated that a parent is abusing or neglecting a child, that is what should be done.  I believe in parental authority over minors and freedom of religion, but both have their limits.  For example, other than abortion, or the post-partum/hormonal defense by women, we do not allow people to get away with child sacrifice.
Isn't this a Right to Life issue? And if it is, where are the Right to Lifers?
Well, I think I qualify as a pro-lifer, as I believe in the sanctity of human life from conception through natural death.  I support the prosecution and conviction of Dale Neumann.

I'd like to turn this question around, though.  What about someone who denies treatment, or even just hydration, to a comatose adult?  Why is that okay but denying treatment to a diabetic child is prosecutable as murder?

I also want to point out that the right to life means protection from someone else killing you - obviously, we all die one way or another.  It can be argued that Neumann contributed to the death of his child by refusing to get her readily available, established treatment.

God ordains the means and the ends.  If medical treatments can help, do not avoid them.  Prayer is great, but there is no reason why it can't be done in conjunction with medical treatment.  From everything I've read and experienced, prayer's primary function is to get is to focus on God (not to "change God's mind"), and you can do that while also using medicine.  Unless God has given you special, specific revelation, then refusing the medical abilities He has provided to people so as to demonstrate "faith" is mere superstition, akin to thinking your mother's spine will be damaged because you stepped on a crack on the sidewalk.

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On Michael Jackson

My sympathies go out to all of his loved ones.

He was an extremely talented, innovative, and influential entertainer who deeply touched millions of people around the world and generated a lot of money for a lot of businesses.

With Neverland, he built an elaborate private park/playground for children that was especially accommodating of disabled children.  He often welcomed children there, thereby giving children, especially disabled, sick, and dying children, some joy.

He was generous in cooperating with people like "Weird Al" Yankovic, who hilariously parodied Jackson multiple times.  This showed that he had a sense of humor about himself and his work.

He made a very big and very public mistake by briefly dangling his youngest child from a fourth-floor balcony; thankfully, he did not drop the child.  This act was like speeding on an unnecessary errand without strapping the child in to a car seat.

His abuse of/addiction to medications may have killed him and should be a warning to all.

By his own statements, he had an inappropriate way of relating to children.  By the accounts of many, his was emotionally immature or somehow maladjusted.  Yes, he was a child performer and by some accounts he was horribly abused by his father (and his mother allowed this), but other child performers and victims of abuse have gone on to be healthy adults, some of them continuing to work in the entertainment industry.

Although investigated more than once and taken to criminal trial, he was never convicted of assaulting or molesting children.  I don’t know of any conclusive proof that he committed such crimes.  If he did commit such crimes (and I hope to God he didn't), then he committed grievous evils.  The parents of those children would also share some blame for not properly supervising their own children.

On a positive note, we don't hear stories about him fornicating with woman after woman, as is so common in entertainment – and especially pop music.

His arrangement with Debbie Rowe and decisions to create and raise three children without providing them with a healthy, stable home headed by a married mother and father cheapened the institution of marriage and wrongfully deprived those children.  No amount of money or doting by a father replaces a mother, or the dynamic between parents who are husband and wife.

Ultimately, Michael Jackson was a sinner like the rest of us, falling short of the holiness of God.  He is much better off if Jesus Christ was his Lord and Savior, and thus his representative, than if he has met God as his own representative.  None of us knows for sure if he had this relationship with Jesus or not.  All of us fall short if judged on our own merits.  As for me, I'm thankful Jesus Christ is my representative in judgment.

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Kill Your TV So Your Kid Will Recite Shakespeare?

"TV Causes Learning Lag in Infants" is the headline we get for an article by Jeanna Bryner of LiveScience.com, telling parents that growing up with the TV on will make their kids mute darn near mute.
Even infants zone out in front of the television, and it turns out this translates into less time interacting with parents and possible lags in language development, a new study finds.
Not if the parent is watching TV with them, and singing along, etc.  You know what reduces interaction time between parents and infants/toddlers?  Having both parents work outside the home and sticking the kid in a day orphanage.
In fact, the American Academy of Pediatrics discourages television watching before the age of 2, a time when critical development, such as language acquisition, occurs.
Oh really?  I'll get back to this.
To figure out the TV-language link, Christakis and his colleagues rounded up 329 2-month to 4-year-old children and their parents. The kids wore digital devices on random days each month for up to two years that recorded everything they heard or said for 12 to 16 hours. The researchers didn't determine whether the adults and kids were actively watching the television or if it was just on in the background.

Analyses of the recordings revealed that each hour of additional television exposure was linked with a decrease of 770 words (7 percent) the child heard from an adult during the recording session. Hours of television were also associated with a decrease in the number and length of child vocalizations and the back and forth between the child and an adult (called a conversational turn).
People don't want to talk over the TV, after all.
With 30 percent of households having televisions on all the time, the researchers wondered how many fewer opportunities there were for children and parents to communicate and socialize.
The TV (and often the desktop, too) are almost always on in my home, but I won't argue with those who kill their TV.  Lord knows there is enough junk on TV.  But there are also good things and informative and teaching things on TV.  TV is a tool.  As long as the tool is replaced by something else, it is fine to kill your TV.  It is also okay to use TV, as long as it is not treated as a babysitter.

According to what I found here,
From 18 to 24 Months
Kids should have a vocabulary of about 20 words by 18 months and 50 or more partial words by the time they turn 2. By age 2, kids should be learning to combine two words, such as "baby crying" or "Daddy big." A 2-year-old should also be able to follow two-step commands (such as "Please pick up the toy and bring me your cup").
Well guess what?  My daughter, who has been raised with the TV on, is approaching two years of age and she can: 1) Identify all of the letters, recite the alphabet vocally and sign it using American Sign Language; 2) Identify the numbers 1 through 20 count to 20, and sign the numbers 1 through 10; 3) combine three or four words; 4) follow two-step commands; 5) sign and read scores of signs (ASL); 6) "Read" (more likely memorize) books for children with 3-4 words per page.

Do you mean to tell me she would be more advanced than this if the TV had been off?  She watches educational shows.  More importantly, she isn't being raised by strangers.  She gets read to every day, one-on-one.

Yes, by all means, if your kid spend alls day in a day orphanage, don't finish up their day by plopping them down in front of the TV as you watch your favorite guilty pleasure drivel.

But let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater, or the baby's TV time.

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Another Planned and Wanted Child

Child abuse and child murder are horrible, and shouldn't happen to any child.  Unfortunately, such things are statistically more likely to happen to a child who is not being raised with both of his or her married, biological parents – like when a mother with a child has a boyfriend.  It is one reason why "single mothers" of minor children should not date (and I don't think single fathers should, either).

Here's another tragic example, though in this case it sounds like she may be an active perpetrator of the abuse and murder herself.  Corina Knoll from the Los Angeles Times reports that the body of a two-year-old boy was found in inland southern California, and the mother and boyfriend arrested.
Belinda Magana, 23, was booked on suspicion of child abuse and being an accessory to murder.

Her 37-year-old boyfriend, Naresh Narine, was booked on suspicion of murder, torture and child abuse causing injury or death, said Rene Tarkington, a Corona police spokeswoman.
Torture.  Torture.  This early into the investigation.  I don't want to picture why police suspect torture.
The boy's body was found buried in the Lytle Creek area, about 35 miles north of Corona.
So, did they drive 35 miles with the boy already dead in the car, or did they kill him when they got there?

As a parent, I can't for the life of me understand this.  My instinct is to protect my child, to comfort my child.  I'd rather be burned with a hot poker, or be trapped in an elevator with a yammering Chuck Schumer, than allow someone to abuse my child.

If only we had...

The freedom to choose our partners
The freedom to say "no" to any given sex act at any given time
Tubal ligation and vasectomies
A dozen forms of contraception
Abortion-on-demand
Various forms of adoption
Safe-surrender laws permitting people to drop newborns off at hospitals and other locations
Public mental health counseling and welfare

...things like this wouldn't happen because every child would be a planned and wanted child.

Right?
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A Special Place in Hell

If you want to read something really depressing, especially for parents, click through to read this Los Angeles Times article by Garrett Therolf and Kim Christensen, about fourteen children neglected or abused to death last year in Los Angeles County.  What sets these children apart is that they were already being "watched" by social workers.
All told, the records show, 32 children in the county died in 2008 from abuse and neglect, including physical assault, drowning and malnourishment. Eighteen of the children were in families that had never been in contact with the family services agency.

But the other 14 families should have been well-known to child welfare officials, based on previous referrals and investigations. For whatever reasons, many of the earlier allegations were not substantiated.
Wasn't easy access to legal abortion-on-demand (and now, "safe surrender" too) going to end child abuse?  Yeah, somehow, that didn't happen.

There are some things to keep in mind:
  • There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of children in Los Angeles County, as the total population is over ten million.  Still, 32 children is 32 too many.
  • These are deaths.  There are, of course, other children who are neglected or severely abused and not killed.
  • This is the kind of thing we need to keep in mind when “Child Protective Services” pokes around.  Better to err on the side of saving a child’s life than to have a child killed because a family’s privacy was too important.
  • Children are more likely to be abused if they are being exposed to a parent’s new “honey” or date.
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Surrogate Parenting Pitfalls

Alan Zarembo and Kimi Yoshino of the Los Angeles Times report on fraud and very expensive disappointments in the surrogate pregnancy business.
In the surrogacy industry, there are no consumer guarantees. A website is not a professional license -- in fact, there is no such thing. Even in California, widely considered the friendliest place in the world for people seeking surrogates, contracts tend to favor the broker agencies, not the clients.

Signing with an agency is frequently an act of faith, sometimes with bitter results. Often, aspiring parents must pay the entire bill -- $50,000 or more -- in advance. The money is nonrefundable, placing them at the mercy of the agency.
And what do we have here – a fertility doctor noting that obese women are not the best candidates to carry surrogate pregnancies:
Dr. Jeffrey Steinberg, a fertility specialist in Encino, said agencies often send candidates who are obese or have a history of difficult pregnancies that make them unsuitable candidates. He rules them out, but the customer still gets the bill.
I guess he's nothing but sexist, right?
Surrogates sometimes get stiffed by brokers as well.

On surromomsonline.com, a website for surrogates, one message board is called "Surrogacy community beware" and features passionate discussions of how to guard against dishonest brokers.
So, let's review.

1. There are children out there who need to be adopted (despite abortion-on-demand being legal), but some people who have been unable to have a successful pregnancy are obsessed with having some biological connection to the children they raise - or, if they are using donor sperm, donor egg, and a rent-a-womb, they are obsessed with “designing” the kid they raise.  They are willing to pay scores of thousands of dollars for this.

2. These hopeful parents are often disappointed or downright defrauded.

3. Even "successful" parents may later find out that they were lied to, and their donations were lost of used elsewhere, or some egomaniac involved in the process secretly used his own sperm for their child.

4. Most "extra" embryos – human beings, mind you – are condemned to being killed.

5. The surrogate mothers are sometimes defrauded.

6. The surrogate mothers are taking on wear & tear on their bodies, and possible risks, not for the sake of the well-being of their own families, but for cash.

7. Surrogate mothers are sometimes used to grow a baby who will intentionally be condemned to a motherless life.

No, there’s nothing wrong with these kinds of reproductive technologies or third-party reproduction, is there?

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Women and Career

My discussion with "denelian" continues after she left comments on this previous posting.  Everyone should feel welcome to post as many comments as needed here on my blog, as long as they meet with Townhall.com’s rules.  It is their dime, after all.  They do limit the length of comments, so making multiple entries is not out of line.

I do believe that there are some gender roles that are typical - some of which are "mandatory" and some of which aren't.  Certainly for some couples with children, it is preferable that the wife keeps a career and the husband stays home.  That is negotiable, though not as common as the reverse.  But a man can be a father, not a mother, and a woman can be a mother, not a father.

I do believe that the state should treat individuals equally, and I do not think that a man is inherently superior - or inferior - to a woman.  But men and woman are not interchangeable and it is impossible to achieve complete legal and social equality in a sense of identical treatment.  For example - a man's choice about whether or not to be responsible for a child ends the moment sperm leaves his body, but a woman has many legal options after that point - regardless of what the man wants.  There is no escaping the fact that woman naturally have ovaries and a uterus and mammary glands and a different center of gravity than men, who have different plumbing.  Men and women literally tend to think differently.  Women can perpetrate paternity fraud, while men can't perpetrate maternity fraud.  No man ever gets impregnated by a rapist.  A man can get killed and his child will still be born nine months later.  Not true for women, unless we're talking about a donated egg or embryo.  Men tend to die younger.  More men are incarcerated.   Women attend to outnumber men on the college campus. On average, men are taller and physically stronger.

Motherhood is not a woman's only real gift.  I do believe a woman can lead a full life and contribute much to society without ever being a mother.  Same with men and fatherhood.  The notion that a man has to be married to be settled down is not something I embrace.
in the case of widows/widowers, is the parent left "bad" for not immediately getting remarried?
Actually, these days, they probably shouldn't remarry until their minor children are grown.  While it would be great for the children to have both parents, one of the problems with divorced or never-married parents dating also applies here – the child has lost one parent and needs more attention from their remaining parent.  That child does not need to be exposed to "possible" stepparents coming into and out of their life at their parent's will.  Such a situation increases the risk that the child will be abused.  Throw in new step and half-siblings, and things can get very rough for the child.  I know this talk is heresy these days, as everything is supposed to take a back seat to the sexual desires of adults, but I dont think it is right for the child.

While they usually don’t have the same situation as someone who has divorced, if someone is left a widow or widower because they picked someone prone to taking needless (and fatal) risks or engaging in needlessly risky behavior, or someone who was fatally depressed, they are likely to keep picking someone like that until they realize what they are doing and why, and how not to do it again.  In other words, if someone is a widow because some idiot drunk driver killed her husband by crashing into him, that's a little different from a woman being a widow because she married a coke addict who snorted himself to death.  Ideally, the family should move close to an aunt/uncle or grandparent household so that the children can have more family around.
in the case of abusive parents, is the non-abusive parent "bad" for taking the child away from the abusive parent?
Certainly not.  They are obligated to protect their children.  We also have an obligation not to make (more) children with an abusive spouse.
in the case of natural, if "being gay" is so unnatural, why is it that 3%, at a minimum, of any significant mammilian population will be gay?
I didn't say "being gay" is unnatural.  I said in human beings, homosexual behavior is harmful and immoral.
in the case of the thousands of children who need good homes *NOW*, what do you think about states that have, or are trying to create, laws that prohibit anyone but married people from adopting those kids?
I disagree with laws that prohibit adoption by unmarried or same-sex couples.  However, that position is different from saying that unmarrieds or same-sex couples should have the exact same access to adopting as a married (bride-groom) couple.  Married (bride-groom) couples should be given preference, all other things being equal.

Birth mothers are to be commended for giving their child up for adoption rather than keeping the child in a bad home, or killing their child.  It would have better not to conceive a child at all if not prepared to provide that child with a good married home, but once that train has left the station adoption can be best for the child. And yes, birth mothers should be helped to move on.  I don’t think it is the government’s place to do that, though.
in the case of SAHMs, how many do you *really* know? and by that i mean, how many would have agreed to be a SAHM and give up their careers if they had had another choice?
I know some.  Too many people have bought into the falsehood that both parents need to work outside the home.  The government doesn't discourage this, because it provides income tax money and labor.  But when you factor in things like the higher taxes, wardrobe, transportation, child care, etc., sometimes that second income is nearly spent on costs that wouldn't be there without the commitments needed to obtain the second income.

Before I had children of my own, only a few years ago, I had female coworkers of mine – some of them "progressives", mind you – who expressed disappointment in another woman in the office because she wasn’t staying home with her daughter.  We all knew her husband was earning enough.  I just shut up and let them talk, interested in their reasoning.  Since I have become a father, I've had female coworkers ask me what my wife does.  When I tell them the story, they express excitement and admiration for my wife.  Now, I understand that they are not likely to badmouth my wife in front of me, but they could have just as easily have said, "Oh, you poor thing – having to take on all of the earning burden."  Instead, they go on and on about how lucky my children are to have their mother.
European countries manage to have many, many mothers stay in the workforce, and those women don't lose their seniority, their place on the career ladder, just because they choose motherhood. what will you, personally, do about that particular injustice?
What injustice?  People make choices in life.  Do you really think I haven't made sacrifices, including professional, as a father?  My advice to any man aiming high professionally is to hold off on marriage and family until he is clearly on track to reaching his goal.  In today's professional world, for many careers, men (and women) need to be able to relocate, work long hours and extra days, and engage in "social" activities (lunches, happy hours) that are really opportunities for professional bonding and networking.  Who wants to be married to someone who is never around?
in the case of a gay person who managed to make a child in the "natural" way, how do you feel about this?
If someone is not passionate about someone of the opposite sex and building a life with them, they shouldn't conceive children with them.  Once they have, they have an obligation to raise that child within a marriage.
a lesbian is raped. or steels herself for something she thinks is horrible for the reward of a child (an exercise that appears to have been common a century ago, if the autobiographys can be believed). in either case, she and her female partner raise the child. is that *bad*?
If someone is raped, as with any other circumstance, it is up to her whether she raises the child or not.  Giving a child up for adoption isn't easy, but it can be the right thing to do.  It is bad to treat children like rewards, prizes, pets, or whatever.
do you know how MANY Native tribes actively encouraged gay couples (not called "gay" at the time, of course, but generally something that translates as "two souled") so that there would always be a family to take in orphans?
Granting that this was the case, it is irrelevant to this discussion, unless you want to talk about what kind of culture is more likely to survive than another.
would you *really* have given up all your years of hard work, to take a 5 or so year "break" from your career, knowing that when you do try and go back to work every potential employer is going to look at that gap and wonder if you are reliable?
Yes, to raise my kids I would have.  Heck, I gave up the autonomy of living alone in large part because I wanted to raise kids in the best environment possible.  Giving up my career would seem a minor change compared to giving up living as an unmarried man.  And whatever my wife would be earning would be half mine.  More, if we had made a pre-nup to that effect.  I enjoy my career, but nothing compares to raising my own child.  We have a division of labor.  My earnings are not just my own – they are ours.
because that is what you are saying *all* mothers should do.
Yes, unless they want their husbands to be the ones at home instead, or unless they want to work in shifts different than their husbands.  Otherwise, don't bother to have kids.  Why bother to have kids if you don't want to raise them?
women are socialized to think what we want isn't as important as what men want.
To what country in which century are you referring?  Certainly not present-day America, unless you are talking a handful of religious subcultures.  The workplace, academia, most mainstream media – all are arranged towards the sensitivities and wants of women.  Same with the social climate.  Whether or not what a man says is okay or is wrong (or even actionable) depends on whether the woman hearing it likes it or not.  Men are socialized to protect, sacrifice for, and earn for women.   Heck, we've even supposed to pay for the food, drink, and entertainment of women we don't even know – even though they can earn their own money.  Women file for divorce far more often than men.

In general, people, regardless of gender, who know what they want are usually given deference.  So if a woman is married to a man who knows what he wants and she isn't sure what she wants, yes, she is expected to go with what he wants.  As much as some feminists hate to hear it, some women prefer a man that takes charge.  That is the kind of man they choose.  My wife and I make decisions together, because she knows what she wants.

And spouses should be focusing on the needs and wants of each other, and that works out pretty well, as long as neither spouse has a personality disorder.  I wouldn't recommend marrying someone with a personality disorder.

The problem is, people - especially women, have been told they can and should have it all and do it all well.  They can be the good mother, the successful career woman, and the good wife while married to a guy who is a successful career man and a good father and a good husband - or not married at all.  That never really works, and it is frustrating to people who believe it is possible and try to do it.  The kids need someone there for them.  The spouses need each other, not some tired lump that happens to share the same bedroom.

I'm not advocating that women lose their choices, but they must make choices, just as men should make choices.

We are probably not so far apart as you may think.  I believe men and women should both be responsible for their own choices, and I do believe that both mother and fathers are important to children and not interchangeable.
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Am I a Sexist and a Bad Blogger?

Did I commit a blogging faux pas?  "denelian" left a pair of comments here on a recent entry of mine, which analyzed criticism of something else I wrote.  Got that?  I will quote denelian exaclty.
you are quoting from Personal Failure's blog, yes - but at least two of those quotes were from me. and a couple from a few othe writers and its kinda hard to not be irritated that you are not properly attribiting them.
I didn't want to link the blog entry, due to all of the profanity, among other things.  And since I didn't link, I didn't want to use the handles of the writers.  It was more about the statements being made, not about who made them – just like when I write about bad arguments I often come across, I usually don't cite a specific person making them because they are rarely original.
but that aside - did you NOT understand what you quoted by me? when i say that many women do not want to "settle" for a man, i really meant that.
And did I say there was anything wrong with that?  No, I didn’t.  Marriage isn't for everyone.  Relationships of this sort aren't for everyone.  Sharing a home isn’t for everyone.  My advice to anyone is DON'T GET MARRIED unless you are ready to be a spouse and you actually want to be a spouse.  But don't make babies if you're not going to give them a marriage as a foundation.
look, PF and i both have the same disease that will kill is if we attempt pregnancy.
I'm very sorry to hear that you are dealing with a disease.

Pregnancy isn't for every woman.  Neither is motherhood.  I never implied otherwise.
we are both in long term, loving relationships - she is married, i am engaged.
Great.  Good for both of you.  I'm being sincere.
should i not marry because i can't bear children?
I never implied that.  (Thanks for bringing these questions to my attention so I can make sure to state clearly my positions here.)

If someone wants to marry, they should only refrain from doing so because one or both of the following is true: 1) he or she is unprepared or unwilling to be a good spouse; 2) he or she has not found a compatible person who is prepared and willing to be a good spouse.

That you can't safely carry a pregnancy should not prevent you from marrying, if that is what you desire – as long as your intended spouse understands and accepts this.  Does that reduce the number of potential spouses?  Likely, but then there are people who do not want to have children, or don't want their wife to go through pregnancy, so that reality in your life and the lives of other women is a plus to them.
that seems to be an issues those on the RIght have.
There do seem to be people – not sure they are all on the Right – who think everyone should get married and make babies.  I disagree strongly with those people.
"Gay Marriage" is wrong because two men cannot have children.
That's a bad argument and I never make an argument like that (and I wish others on "my" side wouldn’t, either).  First, there are different issues involved here.  If we are talking about whether or not same-sex couples (neither person actually has to be homosexual) should be able to obtain a state marriage license together (without someone of the opposite sex involved), the issues for me are 1) who decides and 2) why should state marriage licensing be changed in that way?  I do believe that, wherever possible, it should be directly up to the voters whether or not that change is made – not judges.  As a voter, I fail to see a compelling reason for us to make that change.  One of the reasons the state is involved in marriage licensing in the first place is that marriage is the kind of relationship that naturally produces children.

If we are talking about a religious ceremony, well, I don't know of the religious scripture or tradition that recognizes a brideless or groomless union as marriage.  Certainly there are ordained clergy personnel who perform religious ceremonies of this nature, but they are breaking with tradition in doing so.

I do believe that homosexual behavior is wrong and harmful, and so I can't endorse it in any way.  I don't think our government should try to stop people from engaging in it in private on their owner property, or on the property of anyone else who consents.  But then I also don't think it is the government's place to provide health insurance or health care, so if someone injures themselves or catches a disease engaging in homosexual (or heterosexual, for that matter) behavior, it wouldn't be my concern as a taxpayer.  I should be out of someone else's bedroom.  And so should my wallet.
neither can i. so should i not get married??
You can't because of an illness.  Two men or two women (or one man alone or one women alone) can't be their very nature.  While not all both-sexes pairing produce children, they are the only kind that can.  That one or both individuals in some couples has a disease or injury or something that prevents conception and healthy pregnancy to viability does not negate this.  No same-sex pairing (or trio, or quartet, or quintet...) produces children, no matter how much fun they have "trying".  Regardless, even without producing children, marriage unites both basic classes of individuals that make up all of humanity – men and women.
even MORE, though, God granted me a BRAIN. a brain that finds tensor calculus boringly easy. a brain that tests much too high on IQ tests. a BRAIN I WAS GIVEN TO USE.
Good.
so i WILL NEVER marry a man who wants me to be a stay at home mom.
You don't think SAHM's use their brains?  That's a rather bigoted view, don't you think?  And I never said you had to marry such a man.
i have more important things.
You have different things, things that are more important to you.  I can't agree that raising and nurturing the next generation of citizens, soldiers, investors, consumers, taxpayers, voters, judges, doctors, scientists, firefighters, teachers, Broadway musical writers, LPGA players, WNBA players, etc. is unimportant.
there are many women who enjoy momhood, enjoy being a SAHM. i will never be one of them.
Okay, fine.  I'm certainly not someone who would fault you for that.  Your beef in this area is not with me.
when i say that women have problems finding men for long term relationships, the thing i was refering to (you included it in your post, even) was that too many men expect the WOMAN to give up her career.
How sexist of those men.  I'm sure none of the women they encounter expect the man to slave away to provide for her financially even if it is a job he hates (and to pay off debts she incurred before they even met), to buy her a diamond ring, or protect her… or reach, open, or move things for her.  That would be sexist of her in the same way.

Early on in dating the woman who became my wife, I told her that when I had kids, strangers would not be raising them.  I deliberately put it that way, because that left the possibilities open.  After all, she had a career going, and I was perfectly willing to give up working outside the home to take care of our kids and the home, and be there for her when she came home.  Some women can’t handle that idea.  They can't seem to respect a man who stays home, or earns less than they do.

My wife, no shrinking violet or docile type, nevertheless insisted that she would be the one who put her career on hold and raise the kids.  Funny, thing, too... as it was much easier for her to breastfeed than it would have been for me, and her hips made it easier for her to carry a child around with her just so.  There were also things about her voice and her personality that make her a better caretaker of young children than I could be – but I'm sure that's just the way we are and had nothing to do with the fact that she's a woman and I'm a man.
to lose their personhood, in a VERY real respect.
Putting a career on hold causes someone to lose their personhood?  Perhaps for some people – regardless of gender – it feels that way.  A very successful woman I admire greatly, who was one of my bosses at one time, liked to point out to people she recruited that work was "what we do, it isn’t who we are."
motherhood is important. motherhood is hard.
Agreed.
MEN CAN DO THE SAME THING, men are 100% as capable of taking care of a baby once its been born.
Men can hold a bottle, spoon in food, give baths, change, dress, hold, and watch and protect babies, true – and it does work out for some couples to have the man stay home and the woman earning the income. In general, however, women are better equipped to nurture babies than men.  And no man can be a mother, just as no woman can be a father.
that if a woman cannot find a man "to take care of her"
Marriage is a two-way street when it comes to taking care.  It is also a two-way street when it comes to social and personal limitations, sacrifices, and obligations.  That is why some men have gone on a marriage strike – they perceive that their commitments and obligations are not worth what they'd get in return with too many of the women they encounter in today's legal and social climate.  Life is full of choices.  That we have many things we can choose does not mean we can do all of them, and do them all well.
which means her giving up the entirety of the life she built for herself before him - her job goes, her education no longer applies to anything, because all she can do in this is be a SAHM
Not true.  First, if a woman is marriage-and-family-minded, her education and her job can help prepare for that (just as her experience in being a wife and mother can help her professionally later on), both in things she learns and what she earns.  Secondly, most SAHM are more than "just" mothers.  They are voters, consumers, investors, and citizens in general.
if a woman cannot find a man who wants a woman who has a brain and a great job and paycheck and is able to support herself, you say she doesn't "deserve" a baby.
Nobody deserves a baby.  People can naturally produce babies, but my point has been that child deserves a mother and a father, not a woman who went to a sperm bank and is gone most of the child's waking hours working, and tired out when she is home; nor a motherless existence so that two guys can be parents together.

Some women using sperm banks cite time as a reason, or not wanting to deal with a partner.  That is why I say they are bad candidates for motherhood.  Motherhood takes time, and it takes dealing with someone else in your home.
unless she was raped. or got drunk. or had BC fail. at which case it goes from "deserve" in the sense of a reward (for giving up everything for the horrible life and ennui of motherhood) to the she "deserves" to be PUNISHED with babies.
I don't agree with President Obama that babies are punishment.

Hey, there's also this really neat thing called adoption.  Heck, there’s "safe surrender" in many places, including California, where a baby can be dropped off NO STRINGS ATTACHED.
if you REALLY cared about all those children in foster care, or temporary care, or in orphanages or juvinile detention, you would STOP trying to prevent GOOD DECENT HARD WORKING LOVING FAMILIES from rescuing those children. even if its two wives - two wives, two mothers, is still 1000% better than NO parents.
I agree, and have said so.  If the alternative is a group home/orphanage, then I'd rather the child have two men or two women as guardians.  If, however, there is a married bride and groom who want to adopt, they should get preference.  And no, that doesn’t mean if one of them is a serial killer, they are to be preferred over two model citizen gay guys.

My points still stand: parents have obligations to their children, including, but not limited to 1) not killing them; 2) raising them in a peaceful, married household, meaning with both a mother and a father; 3) being healthy for their children.
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LA Times Blogger on Birth Rate Story

Los Angeles Times blogger Karin Klein checked in on the birth rate story.  I analyze her comments over at The Opine Editorials.
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Shocking Statements About Parenting

Did you know I say shocking things about parenting, marriage, and children?

There’s a foul-mouthed blogger out there who has responded to my blog postings on her own blog (no link... too much profanity... you can use Google to find it).  So far, the standard response to me includes charges of racism, sexism, misogyny, and various forms of hatred and "what!?!"

Why?  Because I maintain that parents have obligations to their children, including, but not limited to 1) not killing them; 2) raising them in a peaceful, married household, meaning with both a mother and a father; 3) being healthy for their children.

Radical?  Only to people fixated on their wants over the needs of children.

Sure, Numbers 2 and 3 aren't always possible, but there are ways to make them more likely and there are people who deliberately fail to provide their children with these things.

So, in response to those who would judge me, strangely, for being "judgey", thus pointing the finger right back at themselves as they judge me, I will quote and respond here.  The blog entry that started all of this is found on The Opine Editorials, here.
maybe the teen birth rate was up because of abstinence only training?
Funny, I thought it was intercourse involving teens that led to teen births.  Teens who do not engage in intercourse don't give birth, nor do they have abortions.  Even if they never touch a condom or contraception.  This is basic biology.  Rape is a different story.  But the general birth rate was up, not just teen.

I wrote, about women choosing to raise children without a husband: "It helps keep sperm banks in business and is one reason I plead with men to never, ever donate sperm."
because married couples in which the wife is fertile, but the man's sperm isn't doing anything never, ever use sperm banks. ever. sperm banks are only used by evil, single feminists and lesbians.
Adoption is a good thing.

I didn't say anything about law, and nor did I say sperm banks are only used by "evil, single feminists and lesbians".  Not everyone is going to listen to people like me who urge men NOT to donate sperm.  So there will still be sperm banks around.

There is no right to reproductive medicine.  If you can conceive and carry children as a couple, then you have a natural right to do so.  But involving others is not a right.  It should involve their consent.  As long as all involved are consenting (including the people paying for it), I lean towards the idea that there's nothing wrong with a MARRIED COUPLE – MOTHER AND FATHER – using a sperm bank.  This would include someone who banks his own sperm to use later because of impending or threatening medical issues, although I don't think it is wise to conceive children if you have a high risk of mortality in the near future, and I do believe it is immoral to create "extra" human beings (frozen embryos) that will be killed.

I would be okay with our laws restricting the use of sperm banks. IVF, donated eggs, etc. to married couples.  The libertarian-leaning side of me would prefer the companies providing these services voluntarily adhere to that standard (or better yet, the individual customers would), but in some places that kind of discrimination is illegal, and the profit motive squelches it anyway.  The doctor who helps a woman who does not have a husband obtain a child is financially rewarded and has a happy woman on his hands.  He won't be around to when the child asks sadly, "Why don't I have a daddy?"

Some people working in this field have made mistakes (using the wrong sperm sample) or deliberately unethical choices (using their own sperm).  Mistakes and unethical actions happen throughout medicine, but we’re talking the very lives of human beings who are not consenting to any of this.

Guys who use sperm banks thinking they are getting paid to do something they would otherwise do anyway for free, with no strings attached, sometimes find that the reality is different.  Sperm donors have been held financially liable for their biological offspring.

There is also the chance, however remote, that either the sperm donor or one of the donor's offspring (known or unknown) may wind up in a sexual encounter or relationship with a child conceived from the sperm bank deposit, possibly conceiving children.

So there are many reasons I tell men not to donate to sperm banks, including the possibility that they will be aiding in condemning a child to a fatherless life by design.

I wrote: "If a woman doesn't have the time or personality or patience to find, attract, and keep a man she is willing to marry (or a man who will at least have sex with her), should she really be a child's only parent?"
that's right. if you're not angelina jolie, you have no business ever being within 5 feet of a child.
I never wrote or implied that.
unmarried women are all ugly and mean.
I never wrote or implied that.  I didn't mention appearance at all.

For good measure, here are some of the comments made after the blog entry:
Wow. That's just [wonderful]. Who is this guy again?
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What the hell does ability to find a mate have to do with parenting ability? Some people just aren't any good at getting into relationships (shifty eyes) but that doesn't mean they couldn't be good parents.
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*those women, who don't "put for the effort...blahblahblah bull----"? generally can't find a man who will let them be THEMSELVES, who they are happy with and can live with. but, of course, to f------ like Walrus here, women don't matter, thier happiness doesn't matter, their very f------ LIVES don't matter, so long as they are bowing to the Patriarcy and pop out lots of babies for Thier Man. Husband. Overlord.
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Seriously? Being a good parent is dependent upon the ability or desire to get a man?
Yeah, I think you should be able to get along with other people before deliberately bringing another person into the world - one who will be entirely dependent on you.  Crazy, I know.  Kids don't get to choose their parents.  So while men can avoid or say no to or leave a woman, the child doesn’t have a choice.   If a woman is "too busy" to find a partner, she is certainly too busy for a child.  If she can't get along with another human being well enough to conceive a child, what kind of a mother will she be?  The same applies to a man who hires a surrogate (and, perhaps, buys a donated egg) so that he can have a child to raise without a mother involved.

Children need a mother and a father.  They can survive without one, and sometimes there is no choice (one gets murdered, for example) but it isn't the best condition to raise children.  To do it deliberately is a selfish move that puts the wants of the parent over the needs of the child.
Walrus, you just don't like women.
That’s a lie.  I love women - especially my wife.  I don't like everything that some women do.  Clearly, this person doesn't like everything that all men do (nor do I), but that doesn't mean she hates men, any more than me.

I think women are so important that a child should have a mother.

I wrote: "I don't think I've ever heard in recent decades, from an anonymous source or otherwise, 'I wanted to get an abortion, but I couldn't find a place where I could get one.' Please. There are people out there willing to fly you somewhere and pay for it."
as if anyone would suggest to an opiner that they desired, or even worse, had obtained, an abortion.
I'm not talking about just to me, personally.  Where are the complaints out there in anonymous forums from anyone who wanted to get an abortion (in recent times) but couldn’t find a place to do it?  I'm sure if it is a common problem, there must have been a cable movie about it.  Has HBO dropped the ball on this obvious award-winner?

I wrote: "The March of Dimes likes to use this [increasing premature birth rate] as a call to fundraising."
helping babies with birth defects is bad! bad!
I never said fighting birth defects or helping babies with birth defects was bad.  This is what I did say: "However, I wonder just how much of it is due to 1) an increase in multiple-baby pregnancies due to the use of 'reproductive technologies'"
sarcastiquotes why?
Because so many of the human beings conceived with such technologies are deliberately killed, either as "extra”"embryos, or through selective abortion.  That’s hardly reproduction.

I also cited a rise in obesity as a possible reason for an increase in prematurity.

That got some blowback (I guess we know who is obese and in denial) including this:
that s--- about fat women - i mean, look everyone knows that obesiety interferes with FERTILITY, not having the f------ baby!
And guess what infertile people who want a baby do?  They use reproductive technology that could result in a multiple-baby pregnancy (and "extra" embryos)… and multiples are usually delivered early.

Obesity contributes to unhealthy conditions, including diabetes and high blood pressure (among many others) that could prompt an induced or c-section delivery prior to term.  Obesity rates have been increasing in recent decades, and so has prematurity.  Mere coincidence?  Of course, once an obese woman is pregnant, very few doctors are going so say anything to her face about her obesity.  The goal at that point will be protecting all patients.

But I'm sure the real reason for an increase in prematurity has to be global warming, flouridation of tap water, or vaccinations.

Someone brought up a quote of mine from a different discussion (it really ticks them off, so I'll have to keep using it):
"...same-sex couplings have not produced anything for society, except for the spread of disease."

He's a mean, bitter, angry white male "Christian" who is not in the least bit Christ-like.
Notice the racist, sexist, ad hominem attack, instead of countering my quote.  It is true that same-sex couplings have not produced anything for society, except for the spread of disease.  Homosexual individuals have contributed many great things to society, but not because of homosexual behavior.  In contrast, both-sexes couplings have perpetuated society and contributed taxpayers, soldiers, doctors, and so forth.

Jesus Christ called evil evil.  He told people to repent.  He told them to sin no more.  He affirmed marriage.  He valued children.  He affirmed the Hebrew Scriptures as the Word of God.  Ever read those?  This idea that Jesus Christ was (and is) some sort of pushover who stayed silent about morality and never had a stern word to say about anything or anyone is certainly not backed up by either the Bible or history.  He never would have been executed if He had been like some people maintain.  And He didn't call us to roll over and let society decay.  He told us to care for those in need - and those lacking morals, or an understanding that men and women are different are definitely in need.  Children are in need.

Finally, another ad hominem attack is that I'm a Mormon.  Because, you know, only Mormons (we’re not counting Mother Nature) would think that a child should have both a mother and a father.

So let me state clearly again...

I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member or attendee of any church that claims Joseph Smith as a prophet, or the Book of Mormon as Scripture.  I do not believe those things to be true.  I am not a Mormon.   Not that the "attack" makes a good point other than showing that the attacker is incapable of making a good argument.

Although I am obviously in disagreement with some important Mormon doctrine, I fail to see why a Mormon should have any less right to speak out about these issues as the next citizen.

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Selling Babies

Military wives carrying surrogate pregnancies are given Column One in today's Los Angeles Times via this piece by Molly Hennessy-Fiske.
Angel Howard, 32, lay motionless on an examining table in a La Jolla fertility clinic last Mother's Day, her delicate features bathed in the blue-gray glow of an ultrasound screen as she watched a doctor try to impregnate her with someone else's embryos.
And what happens to any "extra" embryos?  What happens to those human beings?  Most are condemned.
For the last month, Howard had been injecting herself with daily hormone shots that made her so sore she could barely sleep. The mother of six was tired. She had to handle becoming a surrogate without her husband, Brian, 34, at her side: The Navy Seabee had deployed to Iraq for six months.
So your kids are already down a parent until he returns, and you are going to be physically and emotionally limited growing babies for people who could adopt?  You're going to subject your body to the risks and wear-and-tear of hormone treatments and pregnancy, thereby taking away from your family without the hope that the family will be added to with a new child?
Two months later, she was matched with a gay couple in France. The couple would buy eggs from a donor, pay a doctor to fertilize them with their sperm and transfer the embryos to Howard's uterus.
Don't participate in intentionally setting kids up for a motherless childhood.  Do you think so little of your own role in the lives of your children?
If she failed to get pregnant, she would only receive about $1,000.
What is to stop these surrogates from getting pregnant the old-fashioned way by someone else?  Are these people ordering the babies demanding DNA tests, too, to make sure the child is their biological offspring?  More money is a power incentive to get pregnant by any means, and if the lab work isn't taking, it has to be tempting to try it with someone else.  And, as we have seen before, some labs do shady things to ensure a pregnancy – like using eggs, sperm, or embryos from someone else other than the people voluntarily involved in this situation - or from one of the technicians.
Howard had always enjoyed being pregnant, ever since she dropped out of high school at 17 to marry her boyfriend and have Maria.
Uh, yeah.  Hey, don’t be fooled, you high school guys.  Some of those girls WANT to get pregnant.  She's Exhibit A.  Behave accordingly.
She met Brian at a Charleston, S.C., dance club in 1998, soon after she left her first husband, who had joined the military without asking her. Brian was different: He asked her before he enlisted, just as she would later ask him before becoming a surrogate. They married in 1999 and settled in San Diego.
Oh boy.  I could write a whole new rant on that paragraph.
Although Pentagon officials dismissed surrogacy as an "income-producing enterprise" they failed to eliminate surrogate medical coverage from recent defense spending bills.
Your tax money at work.
Esteban, 46, the taller of the two with a short gray-black beard, was a child psychiatrist. His partner, Jean Michel, 50, tan and lean with gray hair, worked for the French government.
Oh, great.  Two "grampas" are going to raise the kids, and one of them works as a child psychiatrist.  I would NEVER subject my child to a psychiatrist who would deprive his own child, by design, of a mother.

And the final line of this hard-hitting story:
Outside, it had stopped raining. Sunbeams peeked through the clouds.
Ah yes - it is all lovely, except for the human beings who get destroyed, and the kids who get deprived of a mother or a father from the start, and the families who deal with a woman whose hormones are on a roller-coaster carrying a baby for someone else.

I appreciate the sacrifices of military families and thank them for their service.  Military wives who remain true and faithful and don’t nag and whine to their husbands while they are away serving are to be applauded.  But do not rent your womb.

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